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After going through Camel In Action book, I encountered following doubts.

I have below 2 routes

A.
from("file:/home/src") //(A.1) .transacted("required") //(A.2) .bean("dbReader", "readFromDB()") //(A.3) only read from DB .bean("dbReader", "readFromDB()") //(A.4) only read from DB .to("jms:queue:DEST_QUEUE") //(A.5)

Questions:
A.a. Is transacted in (A.2) really required here ?

A.b. If answer to #a is yes, then what should be the associated transaction manager of the "required" policy ? Should it be JmsTransactionManager or JpaTransactionManager ?

A.c. As DEST_QUEUE is at the producer end, so does JMS component in (A.5) need to be transacted ?

B. from("jms:queue:SRC_QUEUE") //(B.1) transactional jms endpoint .transacted("required") //(B.2) .bean("someBean", "someMethod()") //(B.3) simple arithmetic computation .to("jms1:queue:DEST_QUEUE") //(B.4)

SRC_QUEUE and DEST_QUEUE are queues of different jms broker

Questions:

B.a. The JMS component in (B.1) is marked as transacted, so in this case does route need to be transacted as mentioned in (B.2) ?

B.b. As DEST_QUEUE is at the producer end, so does JMS component in (B.4) need to be transacted ?

Raju Parashar
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Very good questions to talk about Camel transaction handling.

General remark: when talking about Camel transactions it means to consume transacted from a transaction capable system like a database or JMS broker. The transacted statement in a route must immediately follow the from statement because it is always related to the consumption.

A.a. Is transacted in (A.2) really required here ?

No, it is not. Since the filesystem is not transaction capable, it can't be of any help in this route.

A.b. If answer to #a is yes, then ... ?

There is no "filesystem transaction manager"

A.c. As DEST_QUEUE is at the producer end, so does JMS component in (A.5) need to be transacted ?

Not sure, but I don't think so. The producer tries to hand over a message to the broker. Transactions are used to enable a rollback, but if the broker has not received the data, what could a rollback do?

B.a. The JMS component in (B.1) is marked as transacted, so in this case does route need to be transacted as mentioned in (B.2) ?

It depends because SRC and DEST are on different brokers.

  • If you want an end-to-end-transaction between the brokers, you need to use an XA-transaction manager and then you have to mark the route as transacted.
  • If you are OK with consumer transaction, you can configure the JMS component for it and omit the Spring Tx manager and the Camel transacted statement.

To clarify the last point: if you consume with local broker transaction, Camel does not commit the message until the route is successfully processed. So if any error occurs, a rollback would happen and the message would be redelivered.

In most cases this is totally OK, however, what still could happen with two different brokers is that the route is successfully processed, the message is delivered to DEST broker but Camel is no more able to commit against SRC broker. Then a redelivery occurs, the route is processed one more time and the message is delivered multiple times to DEST broker.

In my opinion the complexity of XA transactions is harder to handle than the very rare edge cases with local broker transactions. But this is a very subjective opinion and perhaps also depends on the context or data you are working with.

And important to note: if SRC and DEST broker are the same, local broker transactions are 100% sufficient! Absolutely no need for Spring Tx manager and Camel transacted.

B.b. As DEST_QUEUE is at the producer end, so does JMS component in (B.4) need to be transacted ?

Same as answer to B.a.

burki
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Good afternoon,

I'd like to take a minute to reply to your questions. I'll address the 'B' side questions.

WRT:

B.a. The JMS component in (B.1) is marked as transacted, so in this case does route need to be transacted as mentioned in (B.2) ?

Yes. Both the source and destination components need to be marked as transacted. Marking the components as transacted will start local JMS transactions on the source and destination session. Note that these are two separate local JMS transactions that are managed by two separate JmsTransactionManagers.

Marking the route as 'transacted' will start a JTA transaction context. Note that the PlatformTransactionManager must be a JtaTransactionManager. When the 'to' component is called, the local JMS transaction for the message send will be synchronized with the local transaction for the message get. (JTA synchronized transactions). This means that the send will get a callback when the remote broker acknowledges the commit for the send. At that point, the message receive will be committed. This is 'dups OK' transactional behavior (not XA). You have a window where the message has been sent, but the receive has not been ack'ed.

Actually getting this working is tricky. Here is a sample:

<!-- ******************** Camel route definition ********************* -->
<camelContext allowUseOriginalMessage="false"
    id="camelContext-Bridge-Local" streamCache="true" trace="true" xmlns="http://camel.apache.org/schema/blueprint">
    <route id="amq-to-amq">
        <from id="from" uri="amqLoc:queue:IN"/>
        <transacted id="trans"/>
        <to id="to" uri="amqRem:queue:OUT"/>
    </route>
</camelContext>
<!-- ********************* Local AMQ configuration ************************** -->
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.camel.component.ActiveMQComponent" id="amqLoc">
    <property name="configuration">
        <bean class="org.apache.camel.component.jms.JmsConfiguration">
            <property name="connectionFactory" ref="AmqCFLocalPool"/>
            <property name="receiveTimeout" value="100000"/>
            <property name="maxConcurrentConsumers" value="3"/>
            <property name="cacheLevelName" value="CACHE_NONE"/>
            <property name="transacted" value="true"/>
        </bean>
    </property>
</bean>
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.jms.pool.PooledConnectionFactory" id="AmqCFLocalPool">
    <property name="maxConnections" value="1"/>
    <property name="idleTimeout" value="0"/>
    <property name="connectionFactory" ref="AmqCFLocal"/>
</bean>
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.ActiveMQConnectionFactory" id="AmqCFLocal">
    <property name="brokerURL" value="tcp://10.0.0.170:61616?jms.prefetchPolicy.all=0"/>
    <property name="userName" value="admin"/>
    <property name="password" value="admin"/>
</bean>
<!-- ********************* Remote AMQ configuration ************************** -->
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.camel.component.ActiveMQComponent" id="amqRem">
    <property name="configuration">
        <bean class="org.apache.camel.component.jms.JmsConfiguration">
            <property name="connectionFactory" ref="AmqCFRemotePool"/>
            <property name="transacted" value="true"/>
        </bean>
    </property>
</bean>
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.jms.pool.PooledConnectionFactory"
    destroy-method="stop" id="AmqCFRemotePool" init-method="start">
    <property name="maxConnections" value="1"/>
    <property name="idleTimeout" value="0"/>
    <property name="connectionFactory" ref="AmqCFRemote"/>
</bean>
<bean class="org.apache.activemq.ActiveMQConnectionFactory" id="AmqCFRemote">
    <property name="brokerURL" value="tcp://10.0.0.171:61616"/>
    <property name="userName" value="admin"/>
    <property name="password" value="admin"/>
</bean>

Enable DEBUG logging for the org.springframework.jms.connection.JmsTransactionManager, and DEBUG/TRACE level logging for the JTA transaction manager that you are using.

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  • hi @doug-grove, thank you for your explanation. I am currently in the same context as the B case of the OP. I need a rollback in case the productor on the remote amq failed. Is it correct that to achieve that I 'only' have to: - provide a transactionManager on the local component but not on the remote one - and that I have to mark both components and the route as transacted? – Antoine Wils Jun 22 '22 at 11:13
  • @antoine-wils I'm a bit confused as to your use case. I would still go for the 'both sides are transacted' approach. This gives you the 'DUPS OK' transactional processing, and I can not see any reason to not do both sides. It also covers your use case. – Doug Grove Jun 22 '22 at 12:02
  • thank you @doug-grove. I am building a bridge between an old activemq 5 cluster and an artemis cluster. Amm I need s that if the bridge fails for some reason I need to be sure that no message consumed on activemq 5 is acknowledged before it is produced on artemis – Antoine Wils Jun 24 '22 at 13:18
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    @AntoineWils: Please look at my github examples for transacted bridges: https://github.com/grovedc/CamelSpringJMS. Hack one up, those work very well. – Doug Grove Jun 25 '22 at 20:08
  • thank you @doug-grove I will certainly give it a try. It's interesting and nicely coded – Antoine Wils Jun 26 '22 at 20:11
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    @AntoineWils, please note the pom.xml file. Iuse the RedHat BOM files, and have a starter on the spring boot for the arjuna transaction manager. The trace logging for arjuna nicely shows the transaction life cycle. – Doug Grove Jun 27 '22 at 14:45